Metrodome Vikings Stadium Site

View of HHH Metrodome as seen from vibrant downtown Minneapolis.

Of course I might just like to complain because…well, here I go again.  But I think it is more accurate to say that Minnesotans are good at creating complaint-worthy ideas.  So, yes…here we go again…

What is it that makes us stupid when it comes to common sense decisions?  Currently Minneapolis leaders support the current Metrodome site as the preferred choice for a new Vikings stadium in Minneapolis.  An interesting choice, and if you think about this, you might wonder whether Minneapolis’s leaders spend any time in Minneapolis.

Look at the Metrodome site.  Is it surrounded by thousands of parking spaces?  No.  Is it located at the nexus of regional transit systems leading into the city?  No.  Did it stimulate urban development?  No.  Is it within the core of the city’s growing entertainment, loding, and business district?  No.

Look at the Twins stadium.  Is it surrounding by thousands of parking spaces?  Yes.  Is it located at the nexus of regional transit systems leading into the city?  Yes.  Did it stimulate urban development?  Yes.  Is it within the core of the city’s growing entertainment, lodging, and business district?  Yes.

So by all means, let’s repeat the mistakes of the Metrodome, dilute the value of the city’s success, and build another stadium in the relatively depressed Metrodome district.

Look, if we’re going to squander taxes to subsidize a profitable industry like the NFL, let’s do something that makes the most sense for the tax payers forced to subsidize the millionaires and billionaires.  If you can find some benefit from being fleeced, why not take it?

The Twins received taxpayer support, but in exchange the city and businesses in the city got the benefit of a substantial economic development in the city’s business district.  Downtown Minneapolis is more vibrant as a result.  Moreover the costs of existing assets like parking and transportation are distributed across more activity in the area; we didn’t have to rebuild 394 or thousands of parking spaces.

Here’s an idea:  Let’s build a stadium where it belongs, in a district that will benefit by a major entertainment asset, and then GIVE Zygi Wilf the Metrodome site.  Yes, why not?  Zygi clearly wants land to develop — he is is leveraging the Vikings for land assets in Arden Hills and supposed to be a talented developer– so why not let him take a shot at the valuable, but under-utilized, space around the Dome?  I would think that space has at least as much potential as an abandon patch of suburban land.  Let him get at it.

But for crying out loud…let’s not waste squandered, extorted tax dollars on a development that doesn’t fit the proven success of what’s already working in Minneapolis!

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Why Arden Hills is the Vikings’ Choice for a New Stadium…

A real NFL Game Day experience is fast becoming the key reason people support the proposed Arden Hills site for a new Vikings stadium over other more practical and economically feasible stadium sites in Minneapolis.  Lester Bagley, the Vikings vice president of Public Affairs and Stadium Development, explained today on Michelle Tafoya‘s local radio show on WCCO that tailgating is part of this experience.  Really?

Let’s go with this idea for a moment.

Is partying in a parking lot eight times a year really a good reason to build a stadium in the middle of an urban nowhere?  (Yes, Arden Hills, you are off the economic and entertainment beaten path.)

Of course tailgating isn’t the real reason the Vikings want the Arden Hills site, but when that argument becomes a plausible justification for squandering millions, you get a sense for how reckless this stadium “debate” has become.

At any rate, this is less a debate and more extortion anyway.  Zygi Wilf, a multimillionaire, and the National Football League, a multi-billion dollar industry, aren’t happy enough with a handout, these beggars want things on their terms and whine if the donors push a little for a better bargain.  So talking about practical matters doesn’t square when you can tap fans’ emotions.

Does This Qualify as an "Inappropriate" Relationship?

Look…I am not opposed to having a good time in a parking lot from time to time; in fact, I’m not opposed to a little reckless misbehavior, just ask my ex-wife or any of the near-exes that followed.  But I don’t see how providing party space for a few thousand fans to roast hot dogs and drink beer before a football game adds value to one site over another.  Personally, I prefer to “tail gate” in a downtown bar.  Help me and my NFL Game Day experience.

Wilf wants the Arden Hills site because he is a commercial property developer.  And don’t forget the parking revenues.  Primarily, however, Wilf is a developer, and if he can get financially strapped Minnesotans to kick in a few million dollars to help cover his risk developing a prime parcel of vacant land in a major metropolitan area…well, great!

Wilf’s football team will play just as well in a billion dollar stadium in Minneapolis as it will if it is built somewhere else, even after he sells the team.  Wilf is leveraging the Vikings to gain additional business advantages.  It is bad enough we are being squeezed to subsidize the profits and growth of the NFL.

All the sports action today is in Minneapolis and St. Paul.  It is supported by a broader hospitality and entertainment industry that involved years of investment and development.  Plus Minneapolis already enjoys transportation infrastructure that currently serves major events very well.  In this era of public austerity, does it make sense to spend public money duplicating existing public infrastructure and services?

We should also look at the wisdom of investing tax dollars in this private project.  Consider that we have a surplus office and retail space in the Twin Cities metro now.  Is building more away from our existing economic core a smart idea?  If it is a smart idea, why can’t Wilf get other private job creators to invest with him?

Unfortunately, rather than consider the real economic interests of developing (or not developing) the Arden Hills site, we hear more and more talk about silly intangibles like “Game Day Experience.”  I’m sorry, but this simply doesn’t cut it.

 

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Wilfs: Beggars Ought Not Be Choosers

Who has a dollar for this guy?

I thought I would title this post “Beggars can’t be choosers,” but in the case of the Wilfs, apparently they can.

I am growing tired of this stadium issue for a number of reasons, but perhaps the one reason I find most tiresome is Zygi Wilf and company calling the shots.  Are they coming to us hat in hand looking for a handout or not?   Just consider a few things…

We have thousands of Minnesotans who don’t even have a job and yet the multi-millionaire owner of a profitable business attempts to extort millions more from us all in the name of increasing his profits.  What is the one reason why the Wilf’s say they need a new stadium?  Profits.  The games being played at the Metrodome play just fine, but Zygi isn’t making enough money.  We should all have his problems, right?

Furthermore Wilf is a real estate developer first and a Vikings franchise owner second.  I would suppose the largest expanse of undeveloped land in one of the nation’s larger metropolitan areas might interest the developer whether he owned a football franchise or not.  And if you can extort millions from the cowering citizens to help bolster your position on that development, all the better.  Wilf wants that land because he’s a developer.

I’m not sure why we give him the choice?

A city like Minneapolis already supports hundreds of businesses servings millions of people every year, including a flourishing sports entertainment economy.  Moreover, Minnesotans have invested millions of dollars improving infrastructure in that area.  Doesn’t it make more sense to support the people, most of whom are Minnesotans, and their business investments with any new stadium investment rather than building it in the wastes of an old munitions plant?

Plus, the last I noticed, the Twin Cities has a surplus of office and retail space.  I’m not sure the amazing attraction of a new football stadium plunked down on the north end of town is going to change that reality.  Hotels?  Restaurants?  No offense, Arden Hills, but if I am coming from out of town for business or pleasure, I might want something more than development sprawl in a forgotten corner of the metro as an attraction.

Pictures of cheerleaders increase site traffic. And who is that guy in the background? (Not me.)

One last comment (maybe).  I imagine the Wilfs probably fall under that awesome class of people known as “job creators.”  You know the people, the ones Republicans like to talk about with almost religious adoration.  If we have to let the beggars dig in our pockets for the pleasure of possible economic benefit and jobs, go blow off.  But in reality that is exactly the way it works in this country.  Subsidies, tax cuts, and the simple privilege of capital mean the “job creators” get more for less.  Need proof?  Look at beggars like Zygi Wilf.

So here we go…we’ll likely give the man what he wants, but why can’t we set the terms?  Isn’t a gift of millions satisfactory?  If tax dollars are going to subsidize a profitable billion dollar business like the NFL and one of its profitable franchise owners, I think we should demand more for our efforts.  We should make this less a gift and more of a smart public investment, at least for as much as that is possible.

If Wilf wants his Zygiland in Arden Hills, he can pay for it.  Tout suite.

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Look at Vikings Stadium Proposals This Way

One Minneapolis Stadium Concept

Does it make sense to start from scratch when people have already invested in businesses in places like Minneapolis and St. Paul?  Why not support a plan that would benefit existing local business rather than roll the dice on a proposal that will dilute demand for office, retail, and entertainment real estate?

Personally I think a development anchored by a football stadium in Arden Hills will flop.  I can’t imagine gathering a group of people mid-summer and suggest heading to a sprawling expanse of stadium and office complexes for a fun night out at theme restaurants.  But that’s just me.

But let’s presume enough people find that sort of thing attractive.  Let’s play make believe.  Let’s say people will eagerly want to locate their business offices at the Vikings’ complex and entertain their families there year around.

Right now there are local businesses struggling to survive in our existing down towns and existing office space sits vacant.  If public dollars are going to support a private business like the National Football League and the Vikings, shouldn’t it be done in a way that will best support local business that has already invested its own money in our economy?

The big question that is not being asked is why Zygi Wilf is so eager to have a site in Arden Hills rather than a comparable one in a place like Minneapolis.  Don’t forget that Zygi Wilf is a developer.  Right now is not the best time for developers.  If you could get a state of taxpayers to help underwrite your costs, wouldn’t you be more willing to take a risk on development?

It is bad enough that a successful industry like the NFL expects tax payers fund part of its development.  In essence it is a bidding war among cities for the privilege to let that business operate in a city.  I get that.  If we’re going to pay these franchise fees to the NFL, shouldn’t we fight for deal that is best for us?  It is hard to see how the Arden Hills site is the best for Minnesota.

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Why Arden Hills is a Bad Idea for a Vikings Stadium

It is interesting to see any support — both outright and tacit support — for a new Minnesota Vikings stadium built with tax payer dollars in Arden Hills, MN.  After the disastrous year in both Minnesota state politics and the mood nationally where anti-tax, anti-government conservatives have all but destroyed the economic foundation and the security of the working and middle class…well, of course it makes absolute sense to subsidized the profitable business of the National Football League.

Billionaire owners need millions of our dollars to build a stadium that will let them and their employees make many, many more millions while the average American struggles to maintain a relatively modest lifestyle, one with less certainty about quality of life issues like health, education, and retirement?  This all says a lot about the values of our society and its priorities.  There are many economic lessons here too about leveraging scarcity, demand, and economies of scale.

The people of the NFL enjoy such  disproportionately advantageous wealth because they are lucky, they sit in an economic gold mine opened by our fanaticism for their unique niche in the market.  If you want to say that is something special worthy of their enormous entitlement, so be it…but why then do we have to pile on additional gifts — literally economic sacrifice as if we need to pay tribute to maintain their favors — to support this “free market” success?

But I’m babbling about stuff that isn’t even part of the debate.  The Vikings will get their stadium even as more and more Minnesotans lose health care, pay more for education, lose retirement benefits, etc., etc., etc…

(And remember who votes for this stuff.  At least Democrats are consistent in seeing a place for government investment and are not opposed to taxes.  Building a stadium will create jobs, for example.  The lion’s share of the long term economic benefit, however, will go to people who are not suffering in the current economic and political environment.  Building better roads would be a more socially responsible investment — a modern-era New Deal – but the value of that doesn’t register with our ignorant political class today.  So pay attention…where do your Amy Kochs and Kurt Zellerses stand on this issue?)

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Arden Hills

o we’re going to help build a new stadium for the Minnesota Vikings.  Yippee.  Let’s be smart about it.  First and foremost, why would you build a stadium in a location that needs new infrastructure to support it?

Look at the Minnesota Twins ball park as an example of what works.  The stadium is centrally located in the metropolitan area and it is located where the people are.  Offices, homes, and business surround the location.  Large investments in public transportation already exists in Minneapolis including light rail and the North Star commuter line.   Parking exists.  And further development in the downtown area will help support the economy and business in that area, especially hotels, restaurants, and retail.

Developers argue that building in Arden Hills will spur growth there.  Two questions:  First, why do we want growth in Arden Hills?   Second, where is that growth going to come from?

Sorry, Arden Hills, but what advantage would there be for the region if another Bloomington emerged just north of Minneapolis and St. Paul?  Moreover, where would this growth come from?  We have a glut of office and retail space in the Twin Cities already.  Expecting an expansion in that sort of space just because there’s a sleek new stadium to “support” it is a pipe dream.  Some people think you could pull business from the cities with lower rents, but will the economics support development costs of new office space carried by lower rents?  You have to pay the bills!  Unless you go to the taxpayers for financing subsidies for periphery development as well.

It is more likely that Zygi Wilf wants a nice development that he can cash in before moving out.  He’s supposed to be a developer, after all, I’m sure he knows a thing or two about profiting from the enthusiastic ignorance of local governments.

Let’s also look at some other simple issues, common sense you-know-it-when-you-see-it issues.  If you ever drive on I-694 any time other than the overnight hours, you know it is a mess now.  Drive that way during rush hour and it can easily take an hour to get across the north metro.  I-35W is not much better.  This isn’t a problem just where these freeways meet at the Arden Hills site, but miles down the road.

Imagine a Thursday night football game, or any event, scheduled at an Arden Hills stadium on a day other than Sunday.  The majority of Minnesotans would need to drive through a major metro area to get to the site versus driving in to the metro area if a stadium were built in Minneapolis.  (Or even St. Paul.)

Arden Hills doesn’t make sense for a couple reasons.  The first is the obvious economic and political hypocrisy of providing unnecessary support to multi-billion dollar industry when we can’t keep our basic public services open.  (But we’re Americans and sadly don’t seem to care about this stuff anymore.)  The second is the inefficient and inconvenient location of a entirely new development in an undeveloped area when more practical locations are available that have necessary supporting infrastructure.

If we are going to do this — which we almost certainly will do — let’s do it as intelligently and as efficiently as we can.  In the end, the Vikings and the Wilfs will still love you.  Don’t worry.